Posts by Doug Mason

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1914 a doctrinal lie that created an entire religion the Jehovah's Witnesses

by Finkelstein in

when you think about it the jws was foundationaly created upon a single core doctrine which was created close to a 100 years ago, that is the doctrinal year of 1914 .. the leader(s) of the ibsa in 1919 proclaimed that jehovah had selectively chosen them or him as it were by j. rutherford, they also self identified themselves as the anointed class the faithful slave.. from all of these expressive endeavors a new religion sprung up eventually calling themselves the jehovah's witnesses.

years and decades followed where more and more people were lured into the faith making themselves subservient devoted members as well, some also identifying themselves as the anointed class.

the jws proclaimed through their leaders (gb) that they were true loyal witnesses to jehovah's will and purpose, but were they really ?

Doug Mason

It was founded on the belief that the Parousia has taken place in 1874 and all of their chronologies, including 1914 were based on 1874.

Actually, the WTS's claim to its authority is now based on what it says took place in 1919.

Doug

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Second-Temple Period Messiahs

by Doug Mason in

writing is a lonely discipline that is constantly beset with self-doubt and constant self-criticism.

that is the way it needs to be.. there are times when i need to reach out for help in the form of criticism from others.

this is particularly the situation with this material.. https://jwstudies.com/second-temple_period_messiahs.pdf .

Doug Mason

Writing is a lonely discipline that is constantly beset with self-doubt and constant self-criticism. That is the way it needs to be.

There are times when I need to reach out for help in the form of criticism from others. This is particularly the situation with this material.

https://jwstudies.com/SECOND-TEMPLE_PERIOD_MESSIAHS.pdf

It will form part of a Study I am preparing on the Second-Temple Period.

I want any feedback at all. It is likely I have located material under the wrong heading; the information might be meaningless; I might have duplicated references; spelling is wrong; my grammar is poor. Please tell me.

It is not complete. I am waiting for still more books and information, so it will grow and I will be making amendments.

Thanks, Doug

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Has anyone read this book by Boyer?

by Doug Mason in

has anyone read: boyer, when time shall be no more.

prophecy belief in modern american culture?.

although it was written in 1994, it sounds interesting, and i would like to know what others think of it.. https://www.amazon.com.au/when-time-shall-be-more/dp/0674951298 (i reckon there is a spelling error in amazon's summary, where godas should read as god's).. thanks, doug.

Doug Mason

Thanks all,

I have now managed to find a copy at less than $10 from Thriftbooks. Much better price than other places.

Doug

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Has anyone read this book by Boyer?

by Doug Mason in

has anyone read: boyer, when time shall be no more.

prophecy belief in modern american culture?.

although it was written in 1994, it sounds interesting, and i would like to know what others think of it.. https://www.amazon.com.au/when-time-shall-be-more/dp/0674951298 (i reckon there is a spelling error in amazon's summary, where godas should read as god's).. thanks, doug.

Doug Mason

Has anyone read: Boyer, When Time Shall Be No More. Prophecy Belief in Modern American Culture?

Although it was written in 1994, it sounds interesting, and I would like to know what others think of it.

https://www.amazon.com.au/When-Time-Shall-Be-More/dp/0674951298 (I reckon there is a spelling error in Amazon's summary, where Godas should read as God's).

Thanks, Doug

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Zoroaster spoke thus

by Doug Mason in

the following is from: cosmos, chaos and the world to come (pp.

222-224), norman cohn.

yale university press.

Doug Mason

Thank you truth_b_known.

The more I look, the more I discover, the more I am amazed.

Thank you for the link.

Doug

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Zoroaster spoke thus

by Doug Mason in

the following is from: cosmos, chaos and the world to come (pp.

222-224), norman cohn.

yale university press.

Doug Mason

That's quite correct. Just Google for daeva. The Jews' and Christian's angelology derives similarly.

Most the the OT as we have it is the product of the 6th century BCE and later.

The "Judaism" of the "Old Testament" is not the Judaism of Jesus and his contemporaries. Much took place during the intervening centuries.

Doug

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Zoroaster spoke thus

by Doug Mason in

the following is from: cosmos, chaos and the world to come (pp.

222-224), norman cohn.

yale university press.

Doug Mason

If anyone does purchase the book by Cohn, make sure you read the "Afterword" and especially the "Appendix".

Doug

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Zoroaster spoke thus

by Doug Mason in

the following is from: cosmos, chaos and the world to come (pp.

222-224), norman cohn.

yale university press.

Doug Mason

Not a problem. I sent you a pm.

Doug

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Zoroaster spoke thus

by Doug Mason in

the following is from: cosmos, chaos and the world to come (pp.

222-224), norman cohn.

yale university press.

Doug Mason

Search the www for sites that discuss the relationships, such as with: Zoroastrianism and Judaism.

This is interesting information from a Jewish Perspective:

http://collections.americanjewisharchives.org/ms/ms0603/ms0603.053.010.pdf

Doug

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Zoroaster spoke thus

by Doug Mason in

the following is from: cosmos, chaos and the world to come (pp.

222-224), norman cohn.

yale university press.

Doug Mason

The following is a further passage from Cohn's book. It is a citation from a book written in 1791: (Volney: Jean Gaulnier, Un grand témoin de la Révolution et de l'Empire, Paris, 1959. The passage quoted from Les Ruines at pp. 143–6 of vol. 1 of the 1791 edition; trans, by N.C.)

[A Parsee – an adherent of Zoroastrianism – speaks:] Because if you study carefully the details of the laws, rites and precepts which are supposed to come directly from Moses, you will not find, in any article, a hint — even a tacit one — at what now constitutes the theological doctrine of the Jews and their offspring the Christians. Nowhere will you find a trace either of the immortality of the soul, or of an afterlife, or of hell or heaven, or of the revolt of the angel who is supposed to be the main author of the evils of mankind, etc. … So, added the Parsee priest, addressing the rabbis, it is only after the time of your first kings, that these ideas appear in your writers; and they appear only bit by bit — furtively at first, in accordance with the political relations which our fathers had with your ancestors; it is chiefly when your fathers, conquered and dispersed by the kings of Nineveh and Babylon, and brought up for three generations in succession in our country, that they assimilated the manners and opinions which until then had been rejected as contrary to their Law. When our king Cyrus had delivered them from slavery, their hearts warmed to us [Zoroastrians] out of gratitude; they became our imitators, our disciples, the most distinguished families, which the kings of Babylon had had educated in Chaldaean sciences, brought new ideas back to Jerusalem, foreign doctrines. …

The Pharisean or Parsee doctrines prevailed; and, modified according to your genius and the ideas which are peculiarly yours, it gave rise to a new sect. You expected a king who would restore your power, we announced a redeemer and saviour God; and from the combination of these ideas, your Essenes made the basis of Christianity; and Jews, Christians and Moslems, you are, in your system of spiritual bangs, nothing but the straying children of Zoroaster. (Cohn, 238-239)